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Patd	How far back do you think they will go?		Lead	[-]
Posts: 51 Feb 20 11 10:02 AM	I was just wondering about how the SSDI determines what date they will use for back pay purposes if approved. I stopped working in Dec 08. But I was only working part time in 08 and the monthly amount was below the gainfully employed of $960 a month that the SSDI uses. Its looking like I got approved so I was wondering what date they might use. I have read on here that some have been back paid three years. But others say they will only go back 12 months. Anybody have any ideas?
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Skinny Cat		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1959 Feb 20 11 12:37 PM	Pat There are many of us that understand your frustration, but as you know SSA is going broke, FAST If SSA were to pay people back to the date they first became unemployed or when they first applied for SSDI they would have run out of money long before now. 10,000 baby boomers are retiring every day and all applying for some form of SS, so SSA must have some kinds of reasonable guide lines as far as distributing funds. Everyone of us that has received SSDI should be grateful for what we can get from them regardless of how much we contributed to it. For those who fought for it, freedom has a meaning the protected will never know.
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Patd		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 Feb 20 11 1:33 PM	Thanks for your answer Skinny Cat But that is not the question that I asked, I will not feel grateful for what I get. I paid into the SS system for 34 years so it is my money that they are paying me back. If I had applied for welfare without paying into the system then I would be grateful for the free money.
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ssgtwright2515		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 889 Feb 20 11 2:12 PM	I think back pay is one of the hardest thing to try to explain here without using a chart to explain it. A chart showing differant scenerios of how it works will explain it better then trying to explain it in words. Thats just my opinion. I think its confusing also.
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The Old Medic		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6059 Feb 20 11 3:35 PM	They will pay a maximum of 12 months prior to the date you file. US Army 1959-1969; Germany 1960-63; Medic 1964-69 SFC E-7 MOS: 55G10 (60-63) , 91B40, 91C40, 91F40 (64-69) Registered Nurse, 1968-2005 (Licensed, not practicing after 1975) Ed.D in Rehabilitation Counseling, Certified Rehabilitation Counselor Retired, Licensed Clinical Psychologist, Independent Social Security Contract Vocational Expert 1983-2005, Contract Medical Expert 1987-2005 60% Service Connected Disabled; Life Member of the DAV since 1980
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Patd		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 Feb 20 11 5:02 PM	Thanks Old Medic and SsgtWright, I know its complicated to figure out, I guess mine could be around Nov 09. That would be 12 months from applying. I'll have to wait and see
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ssgtwright2515		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 889 Feb 20 11 6:06 PM	The Old Medic wrote: They will pay a maximum of 12 months prior to the date you file. Old Medic, does that include the 6 months waiting period of when you file which in reality would be like 6 months of pay instead of 12 months. If someone was found to be disabled and filed on the same date, they wouldnt go back 12 months then would they since the disability date and the filing date would be the same correct? Guess the question is that the start date of your disability and the date that you filed for SSDI is the biggest factor in determining back pay.
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soldiermom		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 393 Feb 20 11 10:45 PM	My last day of work was in Dec 08. I filed in late Jan 09. After initial denial and then appeal denial, the Judge gave me a fully favorable decision and retro back to my last day of work in Dec. (about 1 month retro) With regards to the 5 (I think it's 5?) month waiting period, he also gave me fully favorable for SSI starting the same date in December so that I will be paid something for those first 5 or 6 months of waiting period. I have heard that retroactive (time awarded BEFORE filing date) is only up to 12 months. Good Luck! Keep smiling, it makes people wonder what you're up to....
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Andrew1398		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 56 Feb 21 11 5:17 PM	Grateful, I paid into the system and that's what is was meant for. In the event I need it, so Skinny Cat they are not handing me a a handout. Those od deserve it paid for it with work on a daily basis. Going broke, yea right I see you trust that statement also. Stop giving away money to other countries. The billions we spent on Aid to other countries over the past 20 years could have been placed into the trust fund. Last time I checked they had no work credits.
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Skinny Cat		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1959 Feb 21 11 10:35 PM	Andrew. Yes, you should be grateful for getting money out of SS because there are going to be lots of people that will have payed into SS that will lucky to get some, if any, money out of what they have put into SS in the not too distant future. I never said SS is giving you a handout, Don't put words into my month! Everyone that payed into SS deserves what they are owed by SS, including you., But SS has been in the red for years now and do you think the government is going to pay back the money that they have taking from SS for years, if so I have some land in Florida I'll sell you, cheap!. Yes I trust that statement that SS is going broke, if you think otherwise, you need to read a news paper every now and again. So yes you should be grateful that you are getting money back from SS, because there will be many that won't, and I don't give away money to other countries! For those who fought for it, freedom has a meaning the protected will never know.
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chicagobob25726	SSDI	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3103 Feb 22 11 12:28 AM	I paid into SS for over 40 years AND I already got almost every penny back from SS via ssdi and regular SS.. "The NAVY CHIEF IS ALWAYS RIGHT" CPO "INITIATED AND PROUD" 100% I.U/P&T/Combined 80% 70% G.A.D/MAJOR DEPRESSION 30% Headaches 10% Back 10% Knee
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witchdoctor		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11390 Feb 22 11 10:01 AM	When SSA awards a fully favorable SSDI decision, the following items have been decided: 1. The date YOUR eligibility expires. 2. The date SSA established as the beginning of your disability. 3. The date your SSDI claim was filed. If you have eligibility AND are disabled by SSA decision, the SSA counts five FULL months forward from the Established Disability Onset Date. That will be the first month you will be eligible to receive payment (not necessarily get any money). 24 months from this month you are eligible for medicare if you have not already reached the age of 65 (29 full months from EDOD). From the date your claim was filed, count back a maximum of 12 months. If you were eligible to receive payment during this time, you will get retroactive pay for any months you were eligible to receive pay (max of 12). From the date of your claim forward until the present date, you will get back pay for any months you were eligible to receive pay. Member-at-large: Disturbed Veterans of America.
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Skinny Cat		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1959 Feb 22 11 10:44 AM	Doc, Your description of the SS payment system is well written and easy to understand, Thanks. Bob, Now that's an accomplishment, to get all you have contributed to SS over 40 years back from them, that's a goal to aim for. I wish my chrildren can someday say the same thing. For those who fought for it, freedom has a meaning the protected will never know.
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The Old Medic		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6059 Feb 22 11 11:03 AM	In fact, almost all seniors, and most people that get SSDI (unless they die fairly quickly), get back all that they have paid into Social Security and a whole lot more. There is no private combination of: pension, disability insurance and coverage for your survivors that even comes close to the kind of coverage you get from Social Security for the minimal payments you have made into the system. Congress has tacked on benefit after benefit, indexed those benefits for inflation, and has not even come remotely close to covering the costs of all of those additions. Then they spent every penny of the money paid into Social Security, replacing that money with government bonds that are nothing more than IOU's. When Social Security was begun, there were 17 workers paying into the system for every projected person getting benefits. Now, the ratio is 2 workers to every person receiving benefits. Try actually working out the math, and you will be amazed at just how generous Social Security actually is. US Army 1959-1969; Germany 1960-63; Medic 1964-69 SFC E-7 MOS: 55G10 (60-63) , 91B40, 91C40, 91F40 (64-69) Registered Nurse, 1968-2005 (Licensed, not practicing after 1975) Ed.D in Rehabilitation Counseling, Certified Rehabilitation Counselor Retired, Licensed Clinical Psychologist, Independent Social Security Contract Vocational Expert 1983-2005, Contract Medical Expert 1987-2005 60% Service Connected Disabled; Life Member of the DAV since 1980
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chicagobob25726		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 3103 Feb 22 11 12:49 PM	FOR YEARS MILLIONS GOT SS AND CONTRIBUTED HARDLY ANYTHING. When they collected we had 100's of people working for every retiree collecting SS. Now its what 20-1 or less. Our parents, grandparents, great grandparents, older aunts, uncles, and US are the ones who benefited... The ones who might not even see a SS check will be our children and grandchildren... "The NAVY CHIEF IS ALWAYS RIGHT" CPO "INITIATED AND PROUD" 100% I.U/P&T/Combined 80% 70% G.A.D/MAJOR DEPRESSION 30% Headaches 10% Back 10% Knee
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Skinny Cat		#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1959 Feb 22 11 7:44 PM	Well Medic, your assessment is very encouraging. Maybe I read too many news paper articles that make SS sound ready to fall apart. Thanks Bob, Unfortunately I think your right about our kids and SS. The unemployed work force of today looks to the government for job, when they need create their own jobs. I started my own business from scratch, I had no knowledge of how, I just knew I wasn't good at working for someone else. So I taught myself how to work, keep books, write out proposals and invoices, please customers, show up sober and do the job I had contracted to do, then add 10% that the customers didn't expect. I never needed to advertise. I was in business for 30 years by myself, for myself with only a high school education until the beast in my head took away my ability to concentrate and preform. For those who fought for it, freedom has a meaning the protected will never know. Edited 1 time by Skinny Cat Feb 23 11 11:59 AM.
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ssgtwright2515		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 889 Feb 22 11 9:05 PM	witchdoctor wrote: When SSA awards a fully favorable SSDI decision, the following items have been decided: 1. The date YOUR eligibility expires. 2. The date SSA established as the beginning of your disability. 3. The date your SSDI claim was filed. If you have eligibility AND are disabled by SSA decision, the SSA counts five FULL months forward from the Established Disability Onset Date. That will be the first month you will be eligible to receive payment (not necessarily get any money). 24 months from this month you are eligible for medicare if you have not already reached the age of 65 (29 full months from EDOD). From the date your claim was filed, count back a maximum of 12 months. If you were eligible to receive payment during this time, you will get retroactive pay for any months you were eligible to receive pay (max of 12). From the date of your claim forward until the present date, you will get back pay for any months you were eligible to receive pay. This is by far the best written answer that I have seen without a chart being produced for the "slow minds" like myself!!! What do you expect from a Marine? Us Marines need pictures to understand things, (Just Kidding) but that is the best written answer I have seen and actually understand!!!
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USNDW		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4378 Feb 23 11 12:47 AM	I filed in May of 2008. They backdated my unemployability date to January of 2007. I received 14 months of back pay, June 2007 through July 2008, and then started receiving regualr pay August 2008. So they can go back 1 1/2 years and then pay up to 12 months backpay for your inital claim. As witchdoctor showed. If you were denied and filed appeals within the time frames alloted then you would be eligible for back pay just as far from the date you made your inital claim.
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Patd		#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 51 Feb 23 11 10:55 AM	Thanks Witchdoctor, That was a very easy to read and understand answer you wrote. I should not be getting ahead of myself until I get the approval letter in hand. Like Soldiermom has said before, every time you call the SS they give you a different answer. The first two times I called asking for information they told me that if I have not received a payment or letter from them by the 3rd and 8th of April to contact them. The third time the lady said that a decision had not been made but to call them if I have not received a letter from them by 1 Apr. So I am not going to contact them again. To all of the VETS that have been going through this for quite some time I take my hat off to you. I don't know how you guys and gals can take this stress. I have made up my mind to accept that if I don't get approved for SSDI of VA 100% IU I still have my pension to live on and any extra is gravy. There are a lot of people that are getting kicked out of there houses after losing there jobs and have nothing to live on. I thank my lucky stars that I decided to make the Air Force a career. I almost got out a couple of times at reenlistment but decided to raise my hand again. Smartest thing I ever did.
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wolfman8415	this site might answer some questions	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 76 May 31 11 10:53 AM	I know this thread is a lil older but thought this might help http://www.ssdrc.com/disabilityquestions2-34.html What is the maximum back pay you can get for Social Security disability ? There is no maximum back pay amount that a Social Security disability beneficiary can receive. Social Security back pay is based on a disabled beneficiary’s established date of entitlement (the first month that you are entitled to receive a disability payment from either social security disability or SSI disability). Back pay becomes significant when you have to go to an administrative law judge hearing for your disability approval. Social Security has significant backlogs for administrative law judge hearings, therefore it could take many months to receive a hearing, and because of this back pay amounts are often sizeable, sometimes approaching amounts in the tens of thousands of dollars. sc 60% ddd sc 10% hepatitis sc 0% scars ptsd ( pending)
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The Old Medic		#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6059 May 31 11 4:38 PM	While it is true that there is no statutory maximum amount that a person may receive, there ARE rules about how far back they can go under certain circumstances. Those rules have been clearly stated on this thread, and they DO apply. US Army 1959-1969; Germany 1960-63; Medic 1964-69 SFC E-7 MOS: 55G10 (60-63) , 91B40, 91C40, 91F40 (64-69) Registered Nurse, 1968-2005 (Licensed, not practicing after 1975) Ed.D in Rehabilitation Counseling, Certified Rehabilitation Counselor Retired, Licensed Clinical Psychologist, Independent Social Security Contract Vocational Expert 1983-2005, Contract Medical Expert 1987-2005 60% Service Connected Disabled; Life Member of the DAV since 1980
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What is the maximum back pay you can get for Social Security disability ?

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