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Aug 21 09 11:36 AM
Dunno if you have this site or not, but it looks like it may be helpful:
Aug 21 09 11:44 AM
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Aug 21 09 12:51 PM
. While I was in the Navy I went on many TAD assignments that lasted from a couple of days to several months. There is no record whatsoever of this in my
service records. In one case wherein I obtained a copy of TAD orders from other persons that included my name, the destination was not listed. Instead,
"multiple sites" was listed. On another set of orders the destination was "unspecified". My longest TAD assignment to Vietnam was for
about four months, and I flew into there numerous times on other occasions. For the four month TAD, I caught a ride on a Marine C-130 from Japan to Da Nang
and went on to Saigon on a Navy P2V. I checked in with no one because there was no one to check in with. My job was to setup a site at TSN for servicing our
aircraft which would arrive later. As previously mentioned, passenger manifests are discarded after a short period as their primary purpose is to identify
the occupants in the event of a crash. In my case, the VA determined that this assignment never happened. The way I finally established in-country service
was an obscure letter of commendation from a squadron CO that mentioned something I did during a flight that landed in Vietnam. The letter listed a couple of
other names of crewmembers who were contacted and verified the flight to the satisfaction of the VA. The letter did not mention how long I stayed in-country,
but apparently the fact that the wheels touched down was good enough.
Aug 21 09 2:46 PM
Thank you very much for posting this. I shouldn't care, I know, or at least so I've been told, but the insinuations that my husband was lying about
being in Vietnam because were very troubling to me, because it wasn't true.
What has concerned me is that other readers/lurkers/posters to this Board might be influenced by this, and hold back from giving help to a - what was it?
secret squirrel? - and/or lost cause. So again, thank you for sharing this -
Aug 21 09 8:49 PM
Every sailor had a sheet or more in his Personnel Record titled History of
Assignments, NAVPERS 1070/605 it was entered as page 5. Take a look at the picture in the link I provided.
Oct 7 09 6:05 PM
Oct 7 09 8:21 PM
Just a side note from a VQ-1 Vet. Our Det Bravo in Da Nang was a full service shop. We needed parts and equipment so his rating as a storekeeper would be
land based at our compound. He could have been assigned to barracks duty if he didn't have a secret or above clearance.
Due to the nature of our squadron the "history of assignments" might only mention the assignment as FAIRECONRON ONE with an FPO, San Francisco.
Note: lost a lot of good friends and comrades on PR26 when it crashed at Da Nang in March, 1970
Oct 8 09 8:51 AM
Oct 8 09 10:38 AM
Oct 8 09 11:32 AM
Oct 8 09 11:37 AM
Also, if you go to www.va.gov home page, check the left column and you will see Board of Veterans Appeals, click that and
then drop down to
Search Decisions. There you can enter the claim number but be sure to change the year to ALL.
Oct 8 09 12:01 PM
Oct 8 09 12:21 PM
The problem with these old citations is they are old and rely on old information. In this case, the decision was made Oct 2006 during a narrow window of
opportunity between the time the Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims decided in Haas favor and the time the Secretary placed a hold on decisions until they
could appeal. The Court said the VA had no right to change the M21-1 eliminating the VSM as evidence of 'Service in the Republic' Therefor the BVA
"In Haas v. Nicholson, No. 04-491 (U.S. Vet. App. Aug. 16, 2006), the U.S. Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims (Court) indicated that for purposes
of applying the presumption of exposure to herbicides under 38 C.F.R. § 3.307(a)(6)(iii), "service in the Republic of Vietnam" will, in the absence
of contradictory evidence, be presumed based upon the veteran's receipt of a Vietnam Service Medal, without any additional proof required that a veteran
who served in waters offshore actually set foot on land in the Republic of Vietnam. In other words, exposure to herbicides will be presumed based on the
receipt of a Vietnam Service Medal.
Therefore, while the veteran did not contend that he served on land in Vietnam, his receipt of the Vietnam Service Medal is acceptable proof of his
service in the Republic of Vietnam."
The appeal has since taken place. The Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit Decided in favor of the VA in May of 2008. The M21-1 was subsequently changed
to eliminate the VSM as evidence of 'Service in the Republic'
Unless your claim was filed between Aug 06 and approx Nov 06 this citation is useless. We have at least one veteran member of VBN that 'got lucky'
and had his claim at BVA in this window.
Oct 8 09 12:29 PM
Oct 8 09 12:36 PM
Oct 8 09 1:40 PM
Don't know anything about all that,
Yes, but I do. I've been following the herbicide issue for a very long time and I know reading BVA decisions can be instructive but you cannot read them
in a vacuum. You must understand everything else that went on at the time.
FWIW, the XNAVY award is the VBN member I spoke of that 'got lucky'. This is all a dead issue and is long over. Library lady needs to get on with
looking for the evidence her husband was in country. You cannot back door this thing.
Oct 8 09 2:11 PM
Oct 8 09 5:57 PM
Oct 9 09 2:29 PM
Have you tried calling VQ-1 in Whidbey Island and see if the duty logs for Det B Da Nang exist or are still available? It's a long shot, but I read where
one guy had re-enlisted there and it was in a duty log. It was his in country proof for the VA..
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