No whining, simply calling a spade, a spade.


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USNDW |
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I must have been mistaken. I thought this section was for people to have discussions about topics and relay their point of view. Since my last post was killed
because I had an expressive opinion I guess I was wrong.
No whining, simply calling a spade, a spade. |
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elpistolero |
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If you got a V-Gram -a personal note in clear text from V--you had it coming. He does not zap anyone without good reason.
(edit for spelling)
"Those who were there will never forget; those who were not will never know."
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AnnieHoo49 |
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Sorry USNDW, I have to agree with Elpistolero, opinions, open discussions, etc are all allowed to stand. However, I was able to read your other thread before
it was removed and I felt that it was an attack on people that volunteer their time to help vets. I came here several years ago and just by reading the threads
I was able to file a claim for my husband. On the first try the claim was approved and 100% IU & PT was granted. That would never have happened if I did
not get the info from here. It was my responsiblity to follow it through, make sure everything was in order, and all documentation needed was sent. I
didn't know squat about any of this. I just followed directions from pertinent threads. I will be forever grateful to the wonderful guys and gals that give
their time. (And I was an anonymous reader, didn't post any questions)
I knew your thread wouldn't stand so I didn't post the response that I wanted too. But I am glad I got the chance to say it now. Now if you decide to stick around you will find a great group of people here. Annie |
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1SGRetired |
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U.S.Army Infantry Retired
"Those who haven't Sacrificed for this Country, have nothing to say that's worth hearing" ![]() ![]() ![]()
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RWSVol |
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USNDW, I am so glad you posted this. One of my elders just mentioned to me today that maybe it was time to explain a few things in the open about how this
board is run. The roles of mods/admins etc. Your post gives me the perfect opportunity to do just that.
First, you have obviously not read the VBN User Agreement. If you had you would have read the portion in quotes below: "We reserve the right to remove or ban any user at any time without notice or warning. All posts, material, images are subject to removal and we are not required to provide reason or justification. No soliciting, advertisements or spam are allowed on this site. " Now, I won't post any more exact postings from that user agreement because it is your job to read that and by posting here you have agreed to said agreement. On second thought I will post one more direct quote from there: "IF YOU ARE DISSATISFIED WITH ANY PORTION OF THE VBN WEBSITE, OR WITH ANY OF THESE TERMS OF USE, YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY IS TO DISCONTINUE USING THE VBN WEBSITE." Now, this should be enough to clear up any misunderstanding you may have had regarding our little house but I will expound since I have your attention and I have also had a few others complain about the "free speech" aspect of this board. There is free speech in America, but you can't threaten the life of the POTUS... That being said, you and a few others need to understand that this is a MODERATED FORUM. That explains the little tags you see under certain people's avatars. A moderated forum is just that. Now, the Mods do what they are asked to do by the guys that run this board, the Admins. That would be Pop, Jdave, NMFXSTC, JWilson, MSgtMack, MPrise and Cruiser. These folks and myself kind of own this little place. Think of it as our little house where we keep the door open to help as many Vets as we can. When you are in our house, you agree to follow the rules of the house. I would not come to your house and take a crap on your carpet, so don't come to our house doing the same thing in a virtual sense. Now, the elder I mentioned earlier also mentioned that it needed to be made clearer just what is supposed to happen when a Mod asks for something to happen in a thread...Example: Stop the name calling. There is only one thing that is acceptable at that point and that is to stop the name calling. If that doesn't happen, then the mod gets in touch with me or one of my elders and our job is to either make it clearer or make the problem disappear. By disappear it could mean a post, a thread or even a person. What ever it takes to keep the peace in our little house. The Mods here volunteer their time and bust their arse for free, moving threads, answering technical questions and other stuff that goes along with keeping our little house in order. Now, occasionally they make a mistake and when that happens, they either try to fix it, ask one of the admins to fix it or whatever. Fact is they are human. The only option anyone has if the disagree with an action a mod has taken is to contact that mod or an admin. Do not hammer them in the open because that is not acceptable and it will not stay on the board long. I get complaints when a mod seemingly goes over board and is disrespectful...That goes both ways. On to the elders. Over the years the admins I listed above and myself have worked on this board. Over those years we have pretty much got it laid out as to what kind of posting etiquette we want here. Now, you will notice that rarely do one of the elders jump into a fray on the board because frankly, that is the job of the Mods. I am usually the one that steps in when the mods point something out. Does that mean I act alone and without regard to the other admins? Nope. They have been here longer than I have and when they see something they don't like, believe me, they let me know. That also includes some of my other elders such as Pistol who posted above. In closing, remember, when a mod "moderates" a thread on this "moderated" forum, they are doing what they have been asked to do by us. Free speech? To a point. Remember, this is our house and we try hard to be as loose as possible but we have our limits and a couple of your posts went beyond that limit. If after reading this post and the user agreement (linked above for your convenience) you or any one else have a question, ask away. Right here in this thread. Don't start another one on the same topic so it stays simple for me. Simple is good for me. I will monitor it for a couple days and then it can fade into the ether. Thanks for your time. P.S. This is not where you question why your posts were removed. They are gone and not coming back. This is just a clarification post to clear up exactly how things roll here. "You do not greet Death. You punch him in the throat repeatedly as he drags you away."
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dean9908 |
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V is dead on. Moderated is moderated post within those guidlines (please). I try because I am a Vet and I hate/love you all and your friends/spouses and
children. Myself as V and others will verify lives for this home. We help vets within the rules and guidelines in place. I spend about 12 hours a day
attempting to do cleanup and other moderated chores to assure we all have access to the knowledge here. peace be with you if you leave us.
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lakemanmike |
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i want to make sure i have not posted anything on here that has upset anyone. i have only posted a few times and gave my opinion of what was being talked
about. i dont think i was political in any way nor did i call anyone names. i did give my honest opinions which i can imagine not be the same as others. i
would hope that there is room for that kind of disagreement on here and maybe we all can learn more about our BROTHER'S and their views and opinions and
hopefully learn from each other.
if for some reason i have upset someone or broken any rules let me know and i will cease to post. it was my honor to be able to post on here and give my opinion on the things i did, but i did not get on here to bust anyones rice bowl nor make someone feel less than what they should be. we all learn from each other. if this is not shared and some one feels i am being offensive i will cease to post. thank you |
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RWSVol |
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Lakeman,
Your post above is the first one I have read of yours. Honestly, I have never heard of you until now, so I am doubting you have been anything but kosher here. Welcome to VBN. "You do not greet Death. You punch him in the throat repeatedly as he drags you away." |
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brianwl |
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USNDW,
I have been on this board since Dec 04. In that time I have learned one he!! of a lot about the VA claims process. I also learned while getting my own claims processed and appeals processed. Since becoming IU P&T I have spent 90+ % of my daily time helping Vets with their claims issues. In fact this site makes up the majority of my contact with the outside world. I have been pleasantly surprised a few times by people complaining about the Mods and Admins and including me as one of them. I'm not, but it is nice to be included in that group. To me it means my efforts have not gone unnoticed. When I see a post about leaving the board I have to step back and think about why someone would want to leave. Honestly I don't see a reason for your to do that. I did not see the thread V removed and don't care to. Granted you have recently been involved in a heated discussion about VSO's. This is a topic that gets heated very quickly and happens often. The VSO's are just like the VA raters, they're human and over worked. However, in that particular thread you also received some good replies making suggestions on how to handle the situation. You chose to ignore those replies and just keep going with the rant. That is your choice, but you gain nothing by it. If you notice I rarely get involved in any of the BS stuff and avoid the rants unless I have an opinion on how to deal with the issue that the rant is about. I tired that in your VSO thread and yes you chose to ignore my suggestion on how to deal with your issue. In fact I even posted it twice and you still ignored it and went on with your rant. We are here to help, but we can't help someone that doesn't want help. Its your choice to leave and nobody is going to stop you. But if you're leaving because your thread got zapped, you're leaving for the wrong reason. If you're leaving because you were told to drop a rant, this too is also the wrong reason. In my eyes there is only 2 reasons to leave VBN. 1. You've received all the help you need and need no more help. 2. You have nothing to contribute. I doubt either of those situations applies to you. Good luck. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC SSDI "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown)
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SD172 |
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Well, I just want to take the time to thank you all for your time and effort you put into this web site. Thank you for what its worth, I have found a place
where I can ask for help and give a little advice... I mean a little lol because I'm a greenhorn on the VA stuff. thanks MODS and Site Owner, I render a
salute to you my brothers and sisters
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conch |
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Without this board I would have been lost in filing my claim, and would have no idea what to expect next from the VA. I have read many, many post with the
answers to questions I had. Thanks to all here, and for the time they put in to help other Vets.
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padre45 |
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What I like most about this site is the freely shared experiences, camaraderie, advice and information. The learning I've learned here has made my life
better, and many of the people I talk to who've never even seen this site.
Sharing = Giving AND Taking. I'm thankful for the moderators who very capably decide when someone is abusing the forum. In the past five years, I've seen a lot of comments allowed to stand that I would rather not have wasted my time reading, so I'm thinking the threshold is quite generous in this regard. MODERATORS - You ROCK. But so help me, if you EVER delete one of my carefully crafted, spell-checked, grammar-checked, prayed over and slept on POSTS... I know where you LIVE! LOL! FIDO!! Padre |
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RWSVol wrote: I have also had a few others complain about the "free speech" aspect of this board. V, I'm a moderator on another board. Whenever someone complains about Free speech, we (the moderators) point out that that particular board is on the net because the admin(and owner) pays for it to be there. So, there is no "Free Speech" on that particular board, it cost money for speech to be there. And, if you don't follow the rules (or don't bother to read them), then your speech may be curtailed. I would assume the same goes here on this site. If someone wants free speech, tell them that they can pay for the space on a server, set up their own forum with their own rules, and then they can have all the "Free Speech" they want, on their own web site. SC Total 90%
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LoneStar77 |
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Re: "What I like most about this site is the freely shared experiences, camaraderie, advice and information. The learning I've learned here has made my life better, and many of the people I talk to who've never even seen this site" --Padre45-- Well said (except I wouldn't include the camaraderie of Survivir).
-- My remarks shown above are opinions unless stated otherwise or substantiating material is cited or quoted.--
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Survivir |
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LoneStar77 wrote: NO Derie! |
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NorthportJames |
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USNDW, what kind of fish is that for your avatar??? It looks like a barracuda, but I can't tell.
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warzone54 |
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I would guess a small whale shark?? Anyway, my 2 cents-- Mods or admins is a tough job. I run a itsy-bitsy site also. The members are hand picked from a much
larger one. Here, you don't have that luxury.
Some members, well you could just ring their neck and there are others that even tho they step outa line, you can see a bit of yourself in them. And I can feel for you having to ban them from the site -- at times it would be very difficult (but necessary). I am glad you are where you are at and I am where I am. ( I can understand the mop bucket avatar a little better now) Wz |
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USNDW |
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7 FT. Sturgeon.
I am pretty sure my post was designed to explain my attitude towards people who aren't really concerned that some of the seriously injured Veterans out here. I never slammed this board for what it does. This is the best place by far, that I have seen that contains a wide variety of areas that Vets need to know about. I have recommended averyone I know to go on to this site to try and understand what all of their benefits are, not just the ones they are told about, or not told at all. I do apolgize to anyone who took my comment as a smite on this board, not meant. That was meant for, as stated above. I just want to make sure that everyone who reads this understands, I was not being rhetoric with my posts concerning VSO's. I am sincerely angered by situations where service members are not given their full benefits because of someone else being lazy, or maybe intentionally giving bad info., as the CSVO post echoed. I hoped enough people would have read that, and taken it to heart that they should not become hardened at heart for Vets because they themselves got screwed, or felt they got screwed, or so many Veterans get the short end of the stick and that's acceptable. To try and alienate Veterans who want to help, or who want help, shouldn't even be an issue. But I hope the owners of this site and the moderators don't ket that attitude be allowed here. Tried to keep it as politically correct as possible. Everyone learns something from somebody else. |
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USNDW,
I think we can all agree that there are bad VSO's out there. I am an active VSO myself. I cover 3 rural counties and service about 6,000 veterans. In those 3 counties there is no other VSO that veterans can go to. I'm it. I try my best to be as accurate in my dealings as possible. As hard as I try, I still make mistakes, I miss things and sometimes I just forget things. I fix what I can and move on. Reguardless of my short comings, I never forget that I am here to serve my veterans with care and compasion. The bottom line is that if you encounter a bad VSO go and find another. There are many more good ones than bad ones. Ask around. Talk to other vets. See who is recommended. The veteran is the one who is ultimalely responsible for his or her own claim. Use a good VSO but also take ownership of your claim. As I service 6,000 veterans there is no way that I can remember everything that needs to be done on a claim. When I file a claim I tell the veteran what to expect and what next actions will need to be taken but the responsibility rest with the veteran. I'm doing good if I can remember half of their names. The bottom line is this, complaining about a bad VSO here will not help the claims process. Move on and find a good VSO. We will be here to help you in the process. Thank you for your Service,
NavyNCC
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RWSVol |
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USNDW,
Read your first post in this thread. Then think back on what you posted that I zapped. Then look at Annie's post in this thread. Dude, I am not the only one that didn't like your posts. You can come here and post opinion, debate, help whatever but you will do it in an acceptable manner. One or more of your posts clearly took a swipe at this board by implying that we allow bad people to hurt Vets or whatever. That is not cool. Read my post again and go by it. That is it. Nothing else needs to be said by you on this topic. These people (mods/admins/many members) have put in way too many hours trying to help Vets to even receive a slight implication that somehow we are adding to the problem of bad VSO's etc. Some of that post was aimed right at you, the rest was just info for others because I have had questions about what is supposed to happen when mods/admins do stuff... Just drop it. Stay if you want. Go if you want. If you stay, that is cool as long as you are a help to the board and by that I mean contribute more help than negative. I have a couple members here who I get complaints about all the time and one or more of them tend to ruffle feathers on occasion. I keep them because they are worth the occasional headache they cause me. Some know who I am talking about and one in particular is probably giggling because he knows I am including him in that group.
Bottom line. Read the user agreement, follow the rules and keep the vitriol to a minimum. End of discussion on this part. Any other questions by anyone else, fire away. "You do not greet Death. You punch him in the throat repeatedly as he drags you away."
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1SGRetired |
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Yes, I have a question ! Can the Mods please get a 2 cent raise today?
We are doing good job these few weeks, especially against the NIKE SHOE GUY
(Notice I asked for 2 cents giving room for debate, but either way 1 cent is better than nothing ) (This is just my attempt a lightening up that thread a bit) U.S.Army Infantry Retired
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