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oystertrainer	Psychological Service Dog		Lead	[-]
Posts: 113 04/12/08 15:43:47	Curious: Does anyone have a PSD? If so, for how long? What are the ADA task(s) does it perform, when asked? Thanks, OT
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JOONTHEROAD		#1	[url]	[-]
Rookie VBNer Posts: 19 04/12/08 17:26:09	OT Go to PTSD Dog if PTSD applies to you. Lots of great information. Joanne
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CurtMcGurt		#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 10 04/12/08 20:16:34	I have a PSD named cloud. I have had her for about 5 months now. She has made all the differece when it comes to my ptsd. I got her from Canine Co-Pilots in Flagstaff AZ. Besides the basic obedience like come, stay, leave it, she has been trained to check the house for intruders on command, remind me to take my meds, wake me if i sleep through my alarm clock, turn on the lights in the house when I get home, brace herself against me (when I am dizzy from my meds), put her head on my lap to calm me down among other things. She has also been trained to pick things up like my wallet or car keys cuz my back is kinda bad. She can also go around and close doors for me as well as retreive things from the fridge. Her public acsess skills are not pulling on her chain and always staying on my left side, when we go to a restourant she goes under the table and she does not sniff. She also has the most calm temperment I have ever seen.
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oystertrainer	PSD must read!	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 129 04/18/08 21:14:39	http://veterans.house.gov/hearings/schedule107/sept01/9-6-01/bbarkley.htm I need ch 35 benefits for Max & Minn. OT
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oystertrainer	Need a SD?	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 133 04/22/08 10:44:33	Good info: http://www.psychdog.org/caution.html Hope this helps, OT
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Islandgirl808		#5	[url]	[-]
Senior VBNer Posts: 1448 04/23/08 00:29:35	For anyone who knows: Just wondering for future reference, for when I'm older and don't have the strength to pull my Husband back:eek does the dog sense when you are aggitated and try to calm you down during those 0 to 10 moments? How would the dog react in such a case?
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oystertrainer	Train it	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 135 04/23/08 10:31:08	My opinion is that a dog can be trained to do that. OTM
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ms57		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 557 04/23/08 20:24:43	this is a stupid question to the vbn.who pays for the dog and what doc says yes you need the dog.mike Mike E-6 USAF/ANG 77-88 80% sc
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CurtMcGurt		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 14 04/23/08 21:46:02	Your shrink will write the letter. And for a trained service dog you have to ether get sponsored or pay for the dog yourself. If you start from scratch with an untrained dog all you have to do is teach it yourself. I have heard some things though about people getting thier dogs payed for by the VA. I could just be starting a rumor with that
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oystertrainer		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 136 04/24/08 02:08:24	What does H.R. 2792, Disabled Veterans Service Dogs and Health Care Improvement Act of 2001 provide? VAMH prescribed mine, that's all. OTM
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oystertrainer	BTW-Motorcycles & SD's?	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 137 04/25/08 11:46:09	I wound up selling my motorcycle because my PSD's don't ride. Thought about a side car, sold the bike. SD's are a 24/7/365 deal.
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oystertrainer	Get a Psych dog!	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 139 04/26/08 00:56:11	Get a Psych dog! Get a breed known for it's personality. I prefer Labs. Had one since I was a kid Get the runt of the litter, the one that stays and wants your loving. You become the puppy's mother - forever bonded at the base level. All that dog will want to do is please you. Your challenge is to positively reward the behavior you want. Dog behavior first, disabled persons task(s) second. (easy for PSD tasks & you only need one). See Psychological Service Dog organization for the tasks Seek advice on how to "parent" your new partner, be the "Dog Whisperer". Get prescription for Service Dog (SD) from your Psych Doc. Get free county SD license w/prescription letter. (The ONLY official SD documentation that exists, legally) Get free pet locater chip implant from veteranerian. Promote/investigate H.R. 2792, Disabled Veterans Service Dogs and Health Care Improvement Act of 2001. Advocate for VA provided service dogs (and their maintenance) for any veteran prescribed one by the VA, not specifically for yet another special category (i.e. PTSD) full of requirements not recognized by the Americans with Disabilities Act (have to wear vests, professional dog training only), just a simple prescription like any other treatment, appliance, prosthetic, or medication. Or you can pay a trainer THOUSANDS for a dog. (Yep, it's them that wants that stuff required). Currently there is no such thing as a "certified" trainer or "certified" Service Dog as far as the ADA and the law is concerned. It is a civil right to train your own dog and whether or not to "dress" it (advertise your disability). Time to curl up with my Eco-friendly foot warmer, a dog of another name, the "Love Puppy". "Here Minnie, up!" OTM America, can you compensate me dieing for you?
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Chrisa4animals		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 129 04/26/08 13:42:12	I want to apologize to oystertrainer- perhaps I do not come across very well. About the dog wearing vests. It is a personal issue. I apologize. What i am trying to say isnt easy. 1. that the dog should come with the vest as option to wear or put in the closet - up to the owner- on personal discrection. 2. The Va pays for these dogs and tasked for ptsd trained by ptsd dog trainers who know ptsd - sensative to it. 3. if a vet already has a dog who needs futher training for ptsd tasks - of typed breed- VA pays for the training for the Vet. its up to the VA on rating figure issuance of the ptsd service dog; I have suggested 70% sc (but like dental and the laptop it is responded of 100% sc) I have no control over that) veterans need to speak up here. and also that the VA is paying for this PTSD service dog for veterans...........................................to lower these anxities and symptoms. anything else- I have nothing to do with- I am just trying to get the dog paid for by the VA for veterans of ptsd. establishment done. road made. lawes established by someone else.
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oystertrainer	OK, then	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 140 04/26/08 21:11:33	"I've never met a person I couldn't learn something from". (Mark Twain?) Shouldn't the VA also pay for other types of service animals, if prescribed? My VAMHC professional prescribed a service dog. My prescription should be paid for to include maintenance (ch 35 benefits? heh, heh). How about the Bipolar disorder for for one of many examples? I think a prescription should be all that is necessary for VA funding. Why should the rating board be the one to determine prescription needs and not health care? I need to research what activity is going on with the house bill and VA service animal issuance. PTSD would fall under a mental disability according to the ADA laws, therefor they are Psychological Service Animals (dogs, horses, etc.) Their tasking is specific only to the individual persons disability/disabilities, disability definitions/qualifications are defined by the ADA. I suggest/support a "Veteran" service animal designation would be a nice option for any VA prescribed service animal. I would think that establishing another specific type of service animal that would be provided by the VA would be counter-productive to getting other prescibed service animals provided, also. Could it also be viewed as discrimination to those prescibed but not qualified? I know I would feel cheated out of like benefits by those restrictions. By joining forces, service animal provision by the VA may be more likely achieved. Some types of service animal tasks are relatively easy to teach, others more difficult. For initial animal behavior training, perhaps a Veteran oriented organization (American Legion?) could lend a hand. Veteran SD workshops? VRE might could fund? Provides "meaningful activity"? I'd help. I'd propose: Use rescue animals from shelters. Support non-profit trainers and providers of service animals. Somehow get the word out to the American public/businesses about service animal laws. (rallies, parades, distribute literature?) I'll wear my Sea-dawg vest. I say we should brainstorm a popular solution and present it the the powers to be. The info/research is out there, I've got a lot of it from the web. A skillful voice to present the information would be nice. I sort of suck at that. Veteran service animal owners need to unite on this. SD owners: Tell us what you think & what your experiences have been. We can make it happen. Whew!!! OTM PS: listen to your dog, they are smarter than us in many ways.
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Chrisa4animals		#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 132 04/27/08 13:06:01	I agree on all and all meds vacinations be paid by VA and all vetinarian bill be paid by VA ect with the PTSD service dog. It will too just like in prosthetics and the gear for them already. Also - we need help for the money from sorts for these brochures to get the word and strong support for this. Harely davidson agreed to endorse this but I need help cause I do not know what else they want. Endorsements ect I have not clue what they want. Strong support like that is good for the ptsd service dog for us vets. Strong support and then ADA will recognize this PTSD and then the word is out there and peace of mind takes place. I agree on rallies and parade or such. Good ideas. PTSD rallies and parades; why not. These vets here seriously need to speak up. I have overwhelming vet spouse responding to my website wanting to support this and get donations and "pound" the VA for benefits and the VA is actually supporting this. It is ADA who has not yet said yea PTSD service dog is heard of. I have tremors result of ptsd - resulted into seizures from ptsd - therefor medical alert. got my foot in the door - ROAD MADE WITH THE va AND THEREFOR THE DOG IS PAID FOR BY THE VA PTSD DOG PAID FOR.....check about to be paid out for dog. Step by step proceedure. but i agree and need to get vets in on this and going and need money and the one canine people i am out here with rescues dogs out of shelters and trains them. the issue this is the dogs have to meet high critera by judges to meet those tasks by ADA. anyways. I AGRREE HERE and want to make this happen. ps there are 5.2 millioin vets of PTSD. That is alot of dogs. only 3% of dogs make it to status of service level. hard work. We need people who know about ptsd how to train the dog for ptsd- in order for that to happen they have to know us vets of ptsd. in order for that to happen they need to know us vets with ptsd. I hope I am making sense- if not i apologize and sometimes I do not make sense cause I dont know why but hopefully my choice of words come right. "Building Veterans lives one dog at a time, healing wounds one lick at a time" PTSD National Service dog for Veterans
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oystertrainer	Not just PTSD	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 148 04/27/08 13:39:59	Agree to disagree? PTSD is a "mental" disability, already recognized by the ADA. All prescribed SD's should be VA funded, just like any other prescription. "Psychological Service Dogs" cover the PTSD disability. My support goes with that, not a "special" new category that eliminates others. When the "Veteran PTSD" recognizes that and operates within the current confines of the law (civil rights) I will support them. Creating another specialized category of SD is adversarial to Veterans with other types of SD's, it eliminates them from VA funding for their SD's. Being identified as a "Veterans" SD is a great option, if desired. Being excluded because your SD doesn't fit the proposed "PTSD" mold is NOT desired. It's discriminatory. Like I said, sorry, but I disagree. Too bad we can't come together on that. I realize it would take a name change to the "Veteran PTSD dog" organization. It's just too exclusionary for me. Thanx OTM
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Chrisa4animals		#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 135 04/27/08 14:13:27	i didnt know there was one there. so how to they become streamlined together? national veteran ptsd dog? or national veterans ptsd service dog for veterans? also rallies for ptsd for vets, is straight up good idea. super good idea. other vets need to come out and speak up. "Building Veterans lives one dog at a time, healing wounds one lick at a time" PTSD National Service dog for Veterans
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Chrisa4animals		#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 136 04/27/08 14:19:23	Im missing something here on SD and something else. why cant we team them together then with ADA. or I am missing something cause I do not know something. that is all. i think we can work on this together somehow and work this out as veterans and put this by scratch- because i beleive ptsd can be reduced significantly - and it is going to take alot of team work to make it happen. "Building Veterans lives one dog at a time, healing wounds one lick at a time" PTSD National Service dog for Veterans
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oystertrainer	Exclude me?	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 151 04/27/08 14:55:06	PTSD specific SD's do not include all Veterans SD's. Your PTSD dog is a type of Psychological Service Dog. I won't support any movement that does not include ALL prescribed SD's, horses too, for that matter. Just follow the ADA guidelines for service animals. I'm trying to describe a "Veteran's Service Dog" to include all types of disabilities that a SD is prescibed for. If all Veteran Service Animals are not included, I think your movement will die on the vine, so to speak. Get my support by changing your organizations name and redefining your requirements to match the current ADA laws. BTW, how you gonna carry a Black Lab on a Harley? I wound up getting rid of my bike 'cause of that.
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Chrisa4animals		#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 137 04/27/08 15:25:17	A horse is not a reasonable accomodation to the general public or landlord according to fair housing act. in example. Nor will general public accept into resturants. Obviously the love of animals is said and this is great. I agree. The general public does not though. I totally agree. dont get me wrong. I still feel we all can reach things here at the table for these service dogs for ptsd. Help this issue somehow. Termonology is needed here. Therapy service dogs are differnt than a ptsd service dog. For example, here is proof - A woman did not leave her home for seven years, she received PTSD dog or phsyc dog, and now is never home.Her life is changed significantly - reduced symptoms of mental and enhanced indenpandent means of living. EXAMPLE MADE. Better life. Dog serves tasks for her. Trained differntly. 1. The dog is going to ride on the harley in the side car made by harley davidson - or on the back of the hitch car. (trained by me) I will have the bubble made for him (home made ) for his protection. How this entire thing started was,....... I went to the american legion, asked for them to pay for a dog to make this ptsd symptoms go down- trained dogs- they called vocrehab- they called it independance means of living- they then started paperwork and this process has taken months - ROAD MADE and now calls this ground breaking for other vets. Lets get this a better road for other vets so this isnt so hard. I had hard time getting this done. I want it for other vets and done right. Vetenarin bills paid/ ratings / fairness/ I dont know if I am saying the words right. i dont have all the answers, this is why I came here. I am hoping for some people to figure this out. I only had the shovel to start the path. "Building Veterans lives one dog at a time, healing wounds one lick at a time" PTSD National Service dog for Veterans
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oystertrainer	PTSD Dog? - no	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 152 04/28/08 03:35:10	Therapy animals as defined by the ADA don't have the access rights service aninals do. Primates, birds, horses do not have the same access as dogs do (due to CDC defined infection control definitions). A Psychological service dog is trained to help the mentally disabled, all types of mental disabilities including PTSD. PTSD is only one of many mental disabilities. Other veterans with different disabilities need other types of service dogs. The movement to get VA sponsorship should include ALL types of disabilities. It is entirely up to the disabled person to disclose what their disability is, that is a basic ADA civil right. Drop the "PTSD dog" designation and include all service dogs prescribed to veterans to get my support I don't know how much better to explain the differences. I am not going to support a PTSD specific VA program of any kind (i.e. "PTSD dog", with specific non-ADA approved requirements) because is discriminates against those with other kinds of disabilities. I will post that warning to others when I see promotions for those type of exclusionary programs (i.e. "PTSD dog"). I also reserve the right to chose wether or not to be identified as a disabled veteran. Is that clear enough? I ran across some web site with seeing eye horses. Don't think it'd work for me. Some disabled rancher might be a candidate for one, I guess. Psych Horse?? Woah. Maybe if gas prices put us out of our cars. I'll talk to Mokey, the 1/4 horse butt-head stud next door that Max had me go get his hackles out of the fence. Trouble is, all he's been good for is creating my daughter's but head filly. I like a horse that comes when it's called. Arf!
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