Has everyone noticed the many continuous problems vietnam veterans often encounter with their claims? It seems that the american population , in general,
despises all vietnam veterans even though they were just doing their duty for their country. Congress and the VA turns their backs on so many veterans when
they should not be doing so. I am not talking about the false claims that are being denied by the VA but the legitimate ones. To prove my point now the VA
has decided to put a hold on NHL claims---Why especially since they have said that these are seperate from agent orange claims? I realize that the vietnam war
may not have been the smartest of wars that we fought but do all vietnam veterans really deserve the treatment that so many are getting? Apparently even many
claims of people who served on the rivers are even being held up now.
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why so much hate toward vietnam veterans?
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 xnavy |
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Kontum68 |
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Posts: 1958 07/17/08 11:18:13 GO DAWGS!
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I have to disagree on the hate. I've always been treated with respect and my claims have been taken care of in an expeditious manner. Now, having to wait
a while due to beauracracy is something else but never have I had a claim turned down. Never wanted a parade, just get on with my life and cared less what
anyone who was not there thought.
Maybe the claims thing has something to do with what your job was and where you were in Vietnam or waters around! Don't lump everyone in the same category!
Life is all about azz, you're either covering it,hauling it,laughing it off, kicking it, kissing it, busting it,
trying to get a piece of it, or behaving like one.
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cacti35 |
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Posts: 238 07/17/08 11:27:16
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XNavy.
I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding the folks at the VA. Everyone I have been in contact with, from the VARO in Seattle to the medical folks in my local satellite office to the Spokane medical center have been excellent. They have all been very respectful and helpful. Now Congress... I won't defend them. I don't know if there is "hate towards VN vets" but I do think they are mostly a bunch of gas bags that need to be voted out! I don't want this to be political, just throw all of them out. The public in my humble opinion has come around some since the Desert Storm era. I do know a couple of old peaceniks that still believe we were all a bunch of baby killers. Of course they get their info from Oliver Stone movies! I guess each person has their own take. I try to be optimistic, but that's just me. Regards, cacti 
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Posts: 4203 07/17/08 11:49:25
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It's all in one's perspective. Those of us who had "easy" allowances, even though time consuming, have no real beef and we can hardly fault
the VA. Those who have been disallowed may have real or imagined grievances about the handling of their claims so their view is less generous.
As to an anti-Vietnam Vet attitude, I think that's an urban legend built into the minds of the same folks who claim to have been spat upon by war protesters so as to justify their own lousy outlook on life. JMHO, of course.
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xnavy |
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Posts: 361 07/17/08 12:23:12 |
Ok so we can just ignore the denials of studies done by the australians by agencies used by the VA to do research on agent orange diseases and problems. We can
also believe everything that the VA tells us. Even though they (va) refuses to have studies done on evaporative systems they deny the possibilities even exist.
And what about the curtain that exist around the land mass of vietnam that does not allow any agent orange to get thru that is according to the VA. Since this
curtain exists then how did navy veterans get nhl? And if it got thru to cause nhl who can scientifically prove that it did not get thru to cause other
diseases. Yes i am being facetious but at least honest with my facts--more so than can be said about the va and their bought and paid for analysts who have
been proven over and over to cover up facts that prove them biased and wrong. My claim was granted---i just wanted to point out obvious facts that most people
do not want to admit to. Something caused the navy people to get nhl and if not agent orange then what-- the people who were paid to find out never were able
to come up with an answer to this question. Correct me on any of these points if i am wrong. I will admit that people are slowly mellowing out about vietnam
veterans.--they should after 35-40 years but it stills show a lot of ignorance by many.
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Posts: 318 07/17/08 14:09:57 |
xnavy,
How many more times do you want to beat that horse? It seems like you are trying to convince us but we are not the ones who can fix it. It is just the same old song - over and over. Even those who might agree with you eventually get tired of hearing it. And I certainly don't hate Vietnam vets - I am one. Just my two cents - and that's probably more than you think it is worth.
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Considering the fact that during most of my 30+ years at VA the majority of the employees in the Compensation and Pension Division, both upper management and
rank and file, were Vietnam era veterans it is difficult for me to wrap my arms around this notion that they "hate" Vietnam veterans.
The closest I came to seeing any disparaging remarks about veteran's of any particular era or war involved the veterans of the first Gulf War. More than a few Vietnam veterans at VA privately poo poo'd (is that a word) those guys as not having been in a "real war" with people shooting back at them, but most did not share this viewpoint and it certainly did not affect claims processing in any way. It was more coffee shop chatter than anything. I really don't think it's fair to paint with such a broad brush when actually the discontent being expressed by the OP doesn't relate to Vietnam veterans as a group but rather to the fact that off shore Naval personnel aren't being covered under the presumptive Agent Orange laws. To conclude that this equates to an institutional hatred of Vietnam veterans is simply ridiculous. Cruiser |
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Posts: 221 07/17/08 15:26:15 |
xnavy wrote:
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Posts: 10 07/17/08 15:39:09 |
I PUT MY CLAIM IN FOR DIABETAS IN SEPT 2007.DIDN'T HEAR A WORD FOR 7 MONTHS EXCEPT WE ARE WAITING ON HASS SETTLEMENT THEN I GOT SMART ENOUGHT TO SEND OFF
FOR DECK LOGS SHOWING I WAS ON THE RIVERS OF VIETNAM.i CUSSED A LOT OVER THOSE MONTHS BUT IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT IT WAS MINE.AFTER I SENT DECK LOGS THEY
WON'T LEAVE ME ALONE.I'M EITHER GOING FOR C&P OR SOMEONE IS ON THE PHONE GETTING ME SIGNED UP FOR V.A. HEALTH SERVICES.THEY SEEM TO BE DOING THEIR
JOBS AND IT IS GOING FAST NOW. THANKS TO ALL YOU GUYS ON THIS BOARD I LEARNED WHAT DECK LOGS WERE. THANKS KEN
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Posts: 134 07/17/08 21:14:09 |
When I came back from Vietnam like a lot of people my emotions were not in the best of shape after drinking for the next 20 something months I got out an tried to pull my life together stopped drinking cold went to work and applied for compensation for my asthma that I got right after I got back to the states and almost died from. I worked 60 or so hours for the next 25 years with a 10% comp from VA. I remember all the old Vets when they called my name for my C&P they all looked at me like I was here before you why do you get to go first sound formlure to anyone. The building was old and wore out and very crowded I was young did not know anything about the VA and no one told me about it. I got the C&P and about 6 months later I got a check for I think $52.00 not sure but I got something like $26.00 per month with the cost of living raises and when I went back I was getting a little over $100.00 per month . I did not know you could go back an ask for a new C&P but when I did it went up to 60% for something I had been suffering with for the last 35 years it had not got any better I just had to live with it. I don't think Vietnam Vets are treated any different then any one else. The system has been broken for a long time a lot of people that are a lot smarter then I am are trying to fix it. SOME OF THEM ARE ON THIS BOARD. They do it by helping others Vets. I do not believe anyone gets paid for there time they spend here. I believe a lot are like me an do not won't someone to have to go thru what they had to. By helping each other we make the system better for all of us an in my books that is a good thing. Kenp |
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Posts: 2644 07/18/08 16:45:48 |
i've always been treated with respect by 95% of the VARO, and the VA medical people, so i can't agree with you , my experience has been if you have the
proof that is required, you get the call in your favor, i don't think they even have time to screw somebody around !!!
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Posts: 60 07/19/08 05:03:25 |
 Have a drink on me XNavy,I am a Navy veteran the VA does want to give us
Navy boys any credit whatsoever..The rest of these guys in this forum are receiving there monthly checks and living high on the hog.Guys like me who are a
dibetic and go to kidney dialyis 3 times a week..It is a lot of people like me who have been denied.You know something the Australian Navy treat there veterans
with respect and you have give those guys credit.
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Posts: 323 07/19/08 09:50:55 |
So now, instead of being about all Vietnam veterans, it is about how the navy veterans are being mistreated?
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Posts: 61 07/19/08 13:41:27 |
yeh right
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Posts: 2074 07/19/08 13:43:36
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i served 22 yrs in the Navy...I was on 4 classes of ships. The VA has been great to me....i have never had any problems with them whatsover. I am grateful
for the VA, the people and Drs that work there have been VERY helpful to me.
I do believe that more needs to be done concerning Agent Orange exposure and our sailors on the ships. I just believe that there is a relationship with the men and agent orange. Known too many sailors who died from cancers..... Mary
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Posts: 362 07/19/08 20:19:19 |
thanks mary for your down to earth reply about the association between agent orange and many navy veterans problems. just hope something is done to remedy this
problem before many thousands more die while waiting for the final outcome or at very least to help many widows that are in need.
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Posts: 62 07/20/08 09:03:41 |
.http://www.vawatchdog.org/08/nf08/nfJUL08/nf072008-1.htm....check this site
out blue water navy,they may still be hope for the blue water navy.
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JanB999 |
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Posts: 332 07/20/08 11:26:31 |
jesmil wrote: Look here.
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Posts: 244 07/20/08 11:47:12 |
Just get someone to spill their beans on what was burried at NAS Agana.....Most of it is still there. Were the 5,000 Barrels there of Agent Purple....or did
the AF Boy's have them up North on Guam? To date very few pictures have emerged. Boy would they speed up your claims.
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ggold7211 |
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Posts: 1747 07/20/08 12:29:15 Mod Emeritus |
I think this thread was over awhile back. ( or should have been)
lol, Gold |
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Posts: 6 09/01/08 22:03:00 |
When I returned to Oakland in July of 69 it took three days to get out of SF International Airport due to "Military Standby" no big deal, no showers,
no shaves, some food, but so what .....I happened to make it back. Anyone can hunker down in a nice safe airport. One thing for sure, didnt have to worry about
anyone getting close. The other Returning Vets had each others back as we knew what was going on....as each one left, we hugged and popped our fists and wished
us all well........Borthers Forever !!!!
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