DFAS Ch61 CRSC Chart

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brianwl	DFAS Ch61 CRSC Chart		Lead	[-]
Posts: 5990 06/27/08 14:06:08	I called DFAS again today and again they told me they have no received guidance on how to calculate Ch61 CRSC. They said NOT to use the chart published on their web site http://www.dfas.mil/rna-news/apr2008/crscinformation.html . This chart has a major flaw in it. It deducts the difference between Ch61 retirement and earned retirement from your CRSC payment. This should not be happening. If your earned retirement is 1000.00 and your CRSC rating is 10% which equates to 117.00, then you should be receiving that 117.00, not a big fat ZERO. Contact your Senators and Congress person's to make sure this is rectified. The folks who did their 20 don't have an offset, neither should we. Edit: Correcting my example. If your Ch61 pay is 1200.00 per month and your earned retirement is 1000.00 per month and your CRSC rating is 10% (117.00 per month) according to the chart you get a big fat ZERO. This is WRONG. There should not be any offset once your earned retirement is calculated. If your earned retirement is less than the CRSC amount, then the maximum you should be allowed is the amount equal to your earned retirement. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC http://www.vote-them-out.org "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown) Last Edited By: brianwl 06/27/08 15:58:17. Edited 2 times.
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Rob12Ret		#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4351 06/27/08 14:44:40	Brian, Supplemental Guidance on (CRSC) was sent to the Director Defense Finance and Accounting Service on 03 June 2008. On page 2 it explains how to do the calculations. If the director doesn't know what he should be doing then he needs to be calling DoD for clarification. If DFAS says they didn't receive guidance then who posted the chart on there web site? .......................The boogie man! https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/crsc/documents/CRSC_Guidance_6-3-08.pdf robert
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a vet inside the varoic	So....	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 52 06/27/08 19:51:15	I'm a pretty bright guy, but I have to admit, I can't even understand the normally flawed government logic involved here. So what is it that we are waiting for? 1. 2008 NDAA - check 2. DoD Implementation Policy (both services and DFAS) - check So what am I missing?
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SteamJockey		#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2830 06/27/08 20:05:18	So what am I missing? Everything necessary is in place. AIUI, we're waiting for 1 Oct 2008. That's the date NDAA 2008 authorizes for the first payments. Regards; SteamJockey, resident curmudgeon
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a vet inside the varoic		#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 55 06/27/08 20:17:24	Steam... That was my understanding as well. However, take a look at the CRSC thread regarding MOAA examples.
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brianwl		#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5997 06/27/08 20:29:04	SteamJockey wrote: So what am I missing? Everything necessary is in place. AIUI, we're waiting for 1 Oct 2008. That's the date NDAA 2008 authorizes for the first payments. Steam, IU and Ch61 have nothing to do with each other. The Oct 2008 date is strictly for IU's with more than 20 years or IU Ch61's with more than 20. This pay chart from DFAS deals with Ch61's with less than 20 years and is the same one 71infantry posted. It is also in violation of the 2008 NDAA. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC http://www.vote-them-out.org "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown) Last Edited By: brianwl 06/27/08 21:17:16. Edited 1 time.
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71infantry		#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 543 06/27/08 20:44:05	Well Hells bells.... first it seems to me that the chart in question is not really showing an offset it is showing the difference between what a LOS retirement pay would be , and what the disability % pay would have been. It then substracts the difference between los pay and % pay. So to keep using this term offset is wrong because there really is no offset. I said in one of my post yesterday that if would have made more sense just to figure the LOS of your retirement pay and forget this crap about an offset..... Because the is not offset Once you forget the offset crap...... and just figure your retirement pay nased om :LOS then all you should have to do is look at the letter sent to you and if it says your 40% CRCS then you look at the va compensation chart and see what 40% pays if it is more than your retirement then you only get your retirement if it is less than your retirement then you get what the darn chart says...... People are making this harder than it needs to be..... I don't know why the term offset keeps getting used.... again the chart is not actual showing an offset it is showing you the defference between LOS and & retirement pay then for some darn reason calling it an offset.... When I called DFAS they told me that in my case 60% was about $900. a month plus dependents.... seems every time some calls them they get a difference story kind of like calling the va One other point all CRCS is is a restoration of all or part of your retirement pay .. why is it so hard if your getting 40% cRCS your retirement pay waivored 40% then turn around and add that same 40% back in and instead of retirement pay it is called CRSC... People are making to much out of this ..... Have a good night
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brianwl		#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5998 06/27/08 20:55:54	71, The point you are missing is that DFAS is deducting the difference between Ch61 retirement and LOS retirement from CRSC pay. This is NOT how it is supposed to be. Once the LOS retirement is determined, CRSC should be paid regardless of the difference between the two retirements. Go to Robert's thread and see how I did the math, then you'll see. Short of being denied CRSC by one's service CRSC office, there should not be any Ch61's who are paid NOTHING for CRSC. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC http://www.vote-them-out.org "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown) Last Edited By: brianwl 06/27/08 21:18:24. Edited 1 time.
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jarhead031167		#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 116 06/27/08 21:18:34	brianwl I just got this on another 61 web sight see if its about right (1) first years of service 2.5 x years of service this will give you your service based retirement (2) DOD will then calculate your DOD disability pay by subtracting the amount of your disability retirment based on years from the amount based on disability (waiver) (3) Then take your va comp for combat disability % from DOD disabillity. Now does this make since or not? Semper Fi
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brianwl		#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5999 06/27/08 21:35:01	jarhead, You sort of got it. DFAS knows your DoD disability pay and they know your retirement based on LOS. They should simply be paying your CRSC up to what your LOS retirement is or the % for CRSC authorized by your branch of service's CRSC office. If LOS retirement is 500.00 and CRSC authorization % equals 600.00, then you get 500.00 max. If your LOS retirement is 700.00 and the CRSC authorization is equal to 600.00, then you get 600.00. That is how it is paid to the folks that were lucky enough to reach 20 and that is how we should be paid as well. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC http://www.vote-them-out.org "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown)
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71infantry		#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 547 06/28/08 00:09:42	Deleted duplicate post Last Edited By: 71infantry 06/28/08 00:29:09. Edited 1 time.
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71infantry		#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 548 06/28/08 00:13:03	71infantry wrote: brianwl wrote: 71, The point you are missing is that DFAS is deducting the difference between Ch61 retirement and LOS retirement from CRSC pay. This is NOT how it is supposed to be. Once the LOS retirement is determined, CRSC should be paid regardless of the difference between the two retirements. Go to Robert's thread and see how I did the math, then you'll see. Short of being denied CRSC by one's service CRSC office, there should not be any Ch61's who are paid NOTHING for CRSC. Exactly that is why I am saying forget all the charts there is no real offset, some high payed genus working in DOD needs to be fired.. That is why I kept saying to just figure you retirement by LOS and then just use the va compensation chart based on what your told your CRSC percentage is... again all that is really happing is that your are getting back part or all of your retirement depending what was determined to be Combat related.... Actually I didn't miss that the chart was deducting the difference , I said ignore the chart and use the va compensation rates... the chart serves no purpose....
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brianwl		#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 6005 06/28/08 02:28:18	Ok, then I missed what you said. Now, we need to get our Senators and Congress people involved to get the DoD policy fixed because if you read the written policy in the link in Robert's thread, DoD is reducing the payments by the difference between DoD disability retirement and LOS retirement. Hence my letter to my Senators and Congress person, which I posted in Robert's thread. Brian E-6 USAF Ch 61 Ret 80% IU/P&T SC http://www.vote-them-out.org "A veteran - whether active duty, retired, national guard, or reserve - is someone who, at one point in his or her life, wrote a blank check made payable to The 'United States of America', for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'" (Author unknown)
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71infantry		#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 549 06/28/08 02:30:35	brianwl wrote: Ok, then I missed what you said. Now, we need to get our Senators and Congress people involved to get the DoD policy fixed because if you read the written policy in the link in Robert's thread, DoD is reducing the payments by the difference between DoD disability retirement and LOS retirement. Hence my letter to my Senators and Congress person, which I posted in Robert's thread. Yes I agree
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